Ever felt like the black sheep? In your own family? At school? Ceretta Smith knows the feeling very well and will share her story of transforming from the black sheep to a leader in these latter days as she talks with Carl from her book “The Black Sheep.”

Dr. Gregory Hall has earned his PhD in International Relations and has spent time studying international matters and consulting with various organizationsabout them. He’ll speak with Carl about some of the international relations affecting the world we live in.